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Donald Trump’s election wasn’t a fluke. Nor are tariffs a passing fad. They reflect deep-seated trauma at the country’s decades-long decline relative to China. So enraged and befuddled is the U.S. that it’s a danger to itself, its closest allies, and the global trading system, says former Australian foreign minister Bob Carr. A long-time lover of Americana and leader of the Chester A. Arthur Society, Carr is no crazy leftie. He tells Dan Moss of Bloomberg Opinion and Scott Lanman of Bloomberg News why he’s just about given up on the U.S.

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